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Radiohead - Are wristbands going to stop touts or cause chaos?

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Post # 21
Top Wed 7th Mar 2012 14:18
arrgee2011

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Quote from harrytheo - 7th Mar 2012 07:41 View
Well, that doesn't make sense.

What are we to believe - Radiohead's own website which says name changes will not be allowed, id must be brought along etc., or "a news item" which says tickets are fully exchangeable via Ticket Trust? 


Are you suggesting news items on this site are untrue?

I don't think he is.  I just think he is stating there is a contradiction with the official Radiohead website which does not mention Ticket Trust at all. 
 
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Post # 22
Top Wed 7th Mar 2012 17:37
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Medusa, ofcourse you are absolutly correct. It's just a pity that Radiohead haven't mentioned Ticket Trust on their website because by the law of averages there are bound to be some people who buy tickets that they can't use, and ofcourse some people that won't be able to get tickets because the gig is sold out.

Don't know if you have any connections at Ticket Trust that you could contact and advise them of this anomoly.
 
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Post # 23
Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 12:32
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The facility to buy or sell Radiohead UK tickets still hasn't been added to the Ticket Trust site. Anyone know when that's going to be happening?

A pair of tickets went on Seatwave today for 349.99 (that's plus buyers fees & postage).  At those prices what's to stop a canny tout from buying three tickets, selling two, going to the gig to take the two punters in on his credit card - and then if he's not a great Radiohead fan he can leave straight away!

Hopefully Ticket Trust will get their act together pretty soon.

 
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Post # 24
Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 13:44
Markland

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And of course those advertising the tickets on Seatwave have only just realised they can't make the show, minutes after buying the tickets, and are utilising the "fan to fan" ticket exchange to sell tickets they can no longer use.......................
 
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Post # 25
Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 13:48
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I do think that by now everyone realises that the tickets on Seatwave are not all listed by genuine fans and can't see any reason to labour the point.

I was just trying to point out that if Ticket Trust don't get their act together soon there isn't really much point in them being around.
 
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Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 14:37
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Quote from harrytheo - 9th Mar 2012 12:32 View

The facility to buy or sell Radiohead UK tickets still hasn't been added to the Ticket Trust site. Anyone know when that's going to be happening?

A pair of tickets went on Seatwave today for 349.99 (that's plus buyers fees & postage).  At those prices what's to stop a canny tout from buying three tickets, selling two, going to the gig to take the two punters in on his credit card - and then if he's not a great Radiohead fan he can leave straight away!

Hopefully Ticket Trust will get their act together pretty soon.

Seatwave have all tickets listed as to be collected from North Greenwich on the day.  I just wonder how. The ONLY way they could do it is if they have the IDs and credit cards.


 
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Post # 27
Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 15:21
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If you read the Seatwave website I think you'll find that the ticket seller has to be present to ensure that the buyer gains entry. Viagogo has the same conditions on their website.
 
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Post # 28
Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 16:06
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Quote from harrytheo - 9th Mar 2012 15:21 View
If you read the Seatwave website I think you'll find that the ticket seller has to be present to ensure that the buyer gains entry. Viagogo has the same conditions on their website.

Ah, I didn't read that. Should make for some interesting conversations.
 
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Post # 29
Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 16:58
Markland

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Quote from arrgee2011 - 9th Mar 2012 14:37 View
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The facility to buy or sell Radiohead UK tickets still hasn't been added to the Ticket Trust site. Anyone know when that's going to be happening?

A pair of tickets went on Seatwave today for 349.99 (that's plus buyers fees & postage).  At those prices what's to stop a canny tout from buying three tickets, selling two, going to the gig to take the two punters in on his credit card - and then if he's not a great Radiohead fan he can leave straight away!

Hopefully Ticket Trust will get their act together pretty soon.

Seatwave have all tickets listed as to be collected from North Greenwich on the day.  I just wonder how. The ONLY way they could do it is if they have the IDs and credit cards.



Does that mean some of those naughty people at Seatwave are indulging in buying tickets to better understand the Seatwave business module?

I mean its not like that has ever happened before is it..................
 
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Post # 30
Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 19:13
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Quote from Markland - 9th Mar 2012 16:58 View
Does that mean some of those naughty people at Seatwave are indulging in buying tickets to better understand the Seatwave business module?

I mean its not like that has ever happened before is it..................

Probably not the employees selling them, given the statements on their respective sites.  I suspect viagogo & seatwave are only selling tickets from third parties to facilitate others and show they can't be stopped even when such restrictions are in place. Will be a hell of a melee at the seatwave office in North Greenwich if they sell a lot that way.  Be like super speed dating matching touts to punters!
 
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Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 21:27
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Well here is some bad news for the tout sites

Some of those tickets purchased by touts and offered for resale have already been identified and cancelled off

Oh dear, how sad, never mind
 
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Post # 32
Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 22:04
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Just a pity it wasn't the ones on Seatwave or Viagogo as they don't give enough information to identify specific tickets.
It's really interesting to see that there are still tickets for sale on Ticketmaster - looks like the touts have given this one a wide berth.
 
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Post # 33
Top Fri 9th Mar 2012 22:36
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Quote from harrytheo - 9th Mar 2012 22:04 View

It's really interesting to see that there are still tickets for sale on Ticketmaster - looks like the touts have given this one a wide berth.

The ticket price may have been a factor as well.  Quite a few moans about the prices http://www.nme.com/news/radiohead/62471


 
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Post # 34
Top Sat 10th Mar 2012 00:29
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Quote from harrytheo - 9th Mar 2012 22:04 View
Just a pity it wasn't the ones on Seatwave or Viagogo as they don't give enough information to identify specific tickets.


Actually it was and they do
 
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Post # 35
Top Sat 10th Mar 2012 08:29
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I do think we are entering the realms of fantasy here as "Block 112 Row B" or "Standing" are not enough to indentify specific sales.
But - instead of of this negative sniping why don't we get together and try to do something in the spirit of the website which surely was initiated in the first place to help these poor victims.  We seem to have lost the plot and forgotten that they are the ones that suffer in all this.
I don't know anyone in the band or management company, but with your powers of detection Markland, as you seem to know who listed them I'm sure you can find out who bought these tickets on the secondary market and maybe I can contact someone in the promotions department who will help them out with some comps.
Surely that will be more helpful than just going on about how dreadful these ticket exchanges are.
Let's do something positive for a change!
 
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Post # 36
Top Sat 10th Mar 2012 11:58
Markland

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We do do something positive harry

We do not snipe from the cheap seats as you do

We do not come on here and post to deliberately wind people up, as you do

We are not apologists for the touts and platforms that lie and mislead the public, as you seem to be

We actually do something

We've posted warnings on here about somewhere between 100 and 200 websites over the last couple of years

We've assisted in website take downs, disruption of how payment is taken by fraudsters, given evidence at several trials and have been the original complainants in several other cases

Now, you tell me exactly what you do to help, apart from pour scorn on what  we, and others, post here?

And if you really think that pathetic snipes like "I do think we are entering the realms of fantasy here" are enough to get us to post how we identified the touts purchasing those tickets then you are a bigger idiot than we thought
 
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Post # 37
Top Sat 10th Mar 2012 12:13
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I give up! What on earth am I doing here in la-la land when I could be spending my time in the real world?

Firstly, having a difference of opinion on an internet forum is not "pouring scorn" - it's having a discussion which I thought was what these forums were for.

Secondly, I am certainly not asking you how you identify anything. My offer was to try to help the poor buggers who've paid over 400 for a ticket which you seem to think they won't be able to use. All I said was I would try to get them comps; it would have been up to you to get them to the people concerned. That's called co-operation.

Thirdly, that's exactly what I am trying to do - help. I'm not trying to help destroy touting but I am trying to help out victims in my own little way.

Anyway, I'll leave it up to you. No doubt you'll be on duty on the night of the Radiohead gigs and will be taking your usual pleasure in making sure that innocent people don't get to see the band through no fault of their own. Just hope you don't pick on ALL punters who have tickets for row G in block 111 because they include my own son who bought his tickets through primary channels!
 
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Top Sat 10th Mar 2012 12:29
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Good to see your son followed the advice of this website and purchased through a primary

At least that way he knows his tickets are genuine and valid
 
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Post # 39
Top Wed 16th May 2012 11:40
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Quote from Markland - 9th Mar 2012 21:27 View
Well here is some bad news for the tout sites

Some of those tickets purchased by touts and offered for resale have already been identified and cancelled off

Oh dear, how sad, never mind

It's taken me a long time and a lot of detective work but I can assure everyone that has bought tickets from Ticketmaster for the above, or indeed for anything else that their details have not been compromised.  NOBODY that doesn't work for Ticketmaster has access to their data information, so you can rest assured that your credit card details are safe, as are your personal details. (Nobody is going to come round to your house in the knowledge that you are at a gig so that they can rob it in peace!)

Ticketmaster have confirmed that the details on the secondary sites would not be sufficient for them to be able to identify or cancel off tickets that had been bought through their website.

 
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Post # 40
Top Wed 16th May 2012 13:05
Markland

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Harry

Not often we agree on much on here but in this instance I applaud your due diligence in ascertaining those facts about data protection

Perhaps it will put a stop to the ludicrous and, as you have proven, factually incorrect scaremongering posts about peoples personal data

 
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