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Thu 26th Apr 2012 00:16
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You simply will not believe what Viagogo are up to now - we will reveal later today

“The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”
 
 
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Top Thu 26th Apr 2012 11:46
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Yes I can, Olympics tickets.

How do I know?
The official Olympics tickets link gives it away.

They have done well in pulling that deal off as I'm sure you will agree.
 
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Top Thu 26th Apr 2012 11:49
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Oh - there's more to it than that...
“The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”
 
 
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Top Thu 26th Apr 2012 12:45
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Is it that Lord COE is well chuffed that the Comité Olímpico Español (COE) share the same initials as himself?
 
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Top Thu 26th Apr 2012 23:24
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Wow!!! I knew they were already registered as a company in Switzerland and that they had bank accounts there in anticipation of getting caught but.....You couldn't get a clearer validation of illegality.

What this says loud and clear is reselling in the UK IS illegal. It IS criminal and the only way they can carry on is under different laws in another country.

That move to Switzerland won't have come cheap and you can be absolutely sure Viagogo have the best legal advice available so does anyone out there seriously think they would have done this if what they were doing was not criminal under UK law ?
 
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Top Thu 26th Apr 2012 23:46
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Quote from angela3 - 26th Apr 2012 11:46 View
Yes I can, Olympics tickets.

How do I know?
The official Olympics tickets link gives it away.

They have done well in pulling that deal off as I'm sure you will agree.

Yes. We all agree. Now go to bed. School in the morning.

 
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Top Thu 26th Apr 2012 23:52
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ehhh this is such old news.

This was emailed to their Top Sellers 3 months ago, explaining why it was been done.
 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 00:10
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Can you say what those reasons were?
 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 00:18
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Oh you mean they kindly informed the touts who use their sites?

That was nice of them

A pity they didn't inform consumers then wasn't it
 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 00:27
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Or perhaps they didn't ...Hard to imagine in these days of the internet and particularly with the publicity that surrounded Dispatches that not one of the recipients realised they could sell that email.

I'm fully prepared to believe there are very few non-employees who are top sellers but then again....if you just lost your job.

Give us just one line from the email Angela3 just to make it a little more credible.
 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 00:33
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Just to name a few ebay, paypal + Amazon have all done the same in the past.

Viagogo's business outside of the UK is now so big that it only makes sense of them to do this.
They didn't need to inform consumers as this won't have any affect on them.

Markland I'l have a word with Viagogo to see if they can keep you better informed in the future.

 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 00:56
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In actual fact it does affect consumers

What are the public in the UK going to do now if they have a dispute with Viagogo?

Go to Switzerland to sue them?

Complain to Trading Standards Zurich?

Of course it affects UK consumers, adversely

 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 01:36
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Do you really think that Viagogo have done this due to an escalation of disputes and are running away from the courts in the UK?
This is simply not the case.

Why do you think companies such as Timberland are registered in Switzerland? Because it's a good base to test out their mountain boots. Nahhhh....

What Viagogo have done is not uncommon for a multiple national company to do.

Consumers will still be protected with their credit card protection as well as by the Lugano Convention, but you'll already know that I'm sure.
 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 02:21
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Timberland has a business presence in the UK

Name & Registered Office:
TIMBERLAND (UK) LIMITED
5TH FLOOR 
6 ST ANDREW STREET 
LONDON 
UNITED KINGDOM 
EC4A 3AE 
Company No. 02038598

Human Resources

Timberland Europe Services Ltd.
Wexham Springs 
Framewood Road
Wexham 
Slough 
Berkshire 
United Kingdom
SL3 6PJ 

You dont need to liquidate your UK companies to operate from Switzerland


Timberland didn't change the name of its limited company then put it into liquidation and run away to Switzerland

Why change the name of the company in order to liquidate it?

What Viagogo has done is certainly not common practice

Funny that it happened just before it announced it was "collaborating" with the Spanish Olympic Committee isn't it

Note they state "collaboration" not that they are authorised to resell Olympic tickets

Given that Viagogo is so good at tooting its own horn, the singular lack of announcements to the press about moving lock stock and barrel to Switzerland is also highly unusual for a company that would go to the opening of an envelope for the chance of free publicity

 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 02:45
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How do you know "this is simply not the case"

Can you answer these questions?
Why did Eric Baker stop being a director?
Why the secrecy? (the usual reason would be to prevent anyone stopping it)

I'm less and less convinced by the 3 month old email.
Looks like things started to happen immediately after the Dispatches programme and they are not, in fact, liquidated. Takes 3 months.

Not my area of expertise but I'm definately getting the feeling there's more to this than tax evasion.
 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 08:02
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You all seem to be wildly speculating and making a mountain out of a molehill.

Viagogo changed it's name to Consolidated Information Services, a company it already owned which had no assets in order to go into liquidation without welshing on it's creditors. There was no secrecy and anyone that needed to know did.

It's still business as usual with a business presence in the UK.

The one and only reason it has done this is to do with the selling of Olympic tickets. Nothing to do with a TV programme (which actually brought an increase in sales believe it or not).

Nothing has changed. If you didn't trust them before then you still won't. If you were happy with them before then you still will be.

Ofcourse, the main loser is HMRC as now there is no VAT to be collected on commissions.

Viagogo is not unique. Look at William Hill, Ladbrokes etc.
 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 08:57
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Well said nancyhaven
 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 10:01
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Quote from nancyhaven - 27th Apr 2012 08:02 View
 

It's still business as usual with a business presence in the UK.

 

 

Ah so whats the name of their business presence in the UK now?

 

 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 10:15
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Instead of all this speculation I suggest you tune in to BBC4 radio at noon today.
 
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Top Fri 27th Apr 2012 10:24
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Quote from nancyhaven - 27th Apr 2012 10:15 View
Instead of all this speculation I suggest you tune in to BBC4 radio at noon today.

I'll ask the question again, whats the name of Viagogos UK business presence now?

It appears, unlike other companies that have moved headquarters to Switzerland, viagogone has removed its sole limited company from here as well

We wonder why..

 
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